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I knew you were going to contact me, I did not expect it so soon
This has nothing to do with religions or your four questions
You have a psychiatric disorder which you are channelling into religous debate and fixation on your four questions. You can not see the error lies in how you ask the questions, not whether the answer ever existed. I have dealt with this behaviour pattern before
You came trawling into the South Korea group posting about Ayaan Hirsi looking for people to engage with you. You started asking me to make public declarations there. We told you to take this discussion to an interfaith dialogue group and I gave you examples of female muslim activists you can talk with. Have you done this to find your answers or did you become fixated on me?
I posted on the Ayaan Hirsi thread on your wall to which you turned the entire subject back on me so I did not respond (see the last post on that thread)
When we chatted privately I gave you numerous examples of reverse violence against muslims in the west, including Sikhs mistaken for muslims
You asked me to post this on your wall (baiting)
After your thuggish 'friends' Stepan and Wooje started their tag team personal attacks without any interest in what the thread was about (and in other threads I responded on), your first reply on the thread was "what I'm more interested in" thereby ignoring any issues I had brought up, and again asked me to make public declarations.
I p/m you not to personalize the thread about me to which you posted on thread "not for me to change the subject or do something like that" (more baiting) and later claimed 'nobody was forcing me to answer'???
You began a critique of my answers and character, expressing dissapointment, sadness, worry, and invited others to join in, specifically naming Wooje. I do not need to subject myself to some public trial so took the thread down, not because it made me "look bad" or "somebody was going to kill me".
I was fed up and outraged that the response of you and your 'friends' when muslims in the west were being killed was "so what, Islam teaches violence" and in that environment you wanted to conduct a character evaluation. It was not from fear of any "death threats from muslims" that I did not explain my answers but more the delight from your 'friends' ready to pelt the first passing muslim that they could get their hands on. So much for the 'season of goodwill'.
That was never the intent of the wall post that you had asked me to start, at least not on my part.
You need to look at the company you keep. I dont see any muslims on either Stepan or Wooje's pages and Stepans is full of strippers with giant breasts. One of them even has a wall post about picketing a Church that has friendly relations with muslims Those are great Christian role models to associate yourself with and to whom I have to subject myself to cross examination and judgement.
I dont have any 'extremist' friends like that on my friend list or posting on my wall, nor do I want to know anyone personally or online of any faith that thinks and acts like that. "Love thy neighbour" they would sell their house or buy a gun if a muslim moved next door just look at everything on their walls.
You told me you had no muslim friends growing up in Toronto, the NO.1 most multicultural city in the world, which I find very, very strange indeed and why you still have these questions today. I showed respect for you by not asking this publically nor stating this on your wall. I went thru your friends list and I see maybe two. Now the first muslim you see willing to talk to you, the first thing you do is start waving your four point declaration at them before you even want get to know them.
After I deleted my thread I p/m you basically telling you to 'Go Away'. I told you making inferences about me is judgemental.
You then started a new thread on your wall making inferences about me and again baited me to come back and respond. You state I "dont speak for all muslims" but make all kinds of inferences about western muslims by what I do/dont say.
Again, the problem does not lie in the four questions or whether the answers exist, but in how the question is being asked.
Look at the public apology made by Mark Pedal where he says I have been singled out and you have become blinded in your search for answers to see what you are doing. Look also at the post before from Matthew Lewis where he acknowledges several incidences of baiting on your part (I have included a screen shot)
A very good friend was married to a psychopath like this. He wanted to conduct public cross examinations of her core beliefs and upbringing on public forums and would invite others to join in and criticize, while she was eight months pregnant with his child. This is no different which is why I stopped it right away. Now I know exactly how she felt.
Am I asking you to make public declarations about gay rights, that god created gays, that gays should be allowed to be married in churches, openly gay priests should be allowed, gays should be allowed to adopt, and open you to character assasinations and debate by people on my friends list that you dont know?
As to the **** you want to keep bringing up
- my uncle is married to a german, she is a practicing christian and always goes for christmas/easter mass. She has the bone fragment of some german saint and we would have christmas dinner at her house
- another uncle is married to a yugoslav. she grew up in communist times and will always tell you she is an athiest if anyone asks
- my dads cousin married a sicilian woman whose father was an archbishop. the only way he would give his consent to marriage was if my dads cousin converted and became a practicing catholic
You never wanted to know any of this and only wanted to conduct your public trials
Dont you think these people have friends and are known in the muslim community???
Who is making death threats against them they lead very happy lives???
I could go on with dozens more examples. For every Ayaan Hirsi that you so concern yourself with there are just as many positive stories that the naysayers have no interest in hearing or seeing.
Poor Ayaan Hirsi with her media career, New York Times bestseller, and high paying consultancy job. Lets not talk about the ethnic genocide that took place of muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo only a decade ago. These are not arabs but ethnic europeans. Where were the defenders of freedom and liberty UK, France, Germ, Italy, etc against their own ethnic europeans??? Or is being muslim a disqualification from being european?
This has happened in our lifetime and a real fear muslims in the west have when we see western society did not speak up with the same vigour with which you champion Ayaan Hirsi's cause. All the post 911 church/media hysteria, racial attacks, sentiments of your 'friends' are all linked.
Lets not talk about what it was like to be a muslim in the west after 911 and how people were scared to take the bus, goto work, or buy groceries, and the acts of violence that took place and still do, including against sikhs who have nothing to do with islam, and the media/church hysteria that is behind this.
You want to make inferences about western muslims. I too have made inferences and wonder how many more people are like you and your 'friends' and dont see it as a bad thing if muslims are being killed in the west and rather we go away and dissapear somehow because we are essentially 'bad at the core'. This tells me I am 'tolerated' but not welcome and I wonder how widespread this sentiment is now and who my real friends are. This is why muslims feel safer with their own kind.
I left you on my friends list so you can see "what the muslim is getting up to". I have observed many different church services, as well as sikh, hindu, and buddhist services. I have a Rabbi I grew up with, a korean pastor, and the pastors wife from Dongshin on my friends list, as well as people from every religious and cultural background. Can you say the same?
How many muslim friends do you really have, I have not seen any muslims commenting on your wall posts? Or have your 'friends' made them very unwelcome. How many mosque sermons have you attended? There are mosques in Busan, Gimhae, Ulsan, Daegu, its not that difficult even in korea.
Go and read all my blog posts visiting churches and praising "infidel" temples. How insulting is it that I'm scared of being killed for speaking my mind and someone with two masters degrees and from Toronto can be so stupid and ignorant of other cultures. Yeah we have lots of executions taking place in daegu and toronto, you should come watch sometime.
I tried to develop a friendship with you in good faith as we are both from Toronto, live closeby, and have mutual friends. You have only ever seen me as a "muslim test subject" on which to conduct your research and subject me to public trials, another form of persecution.
TRY GETTING TO KNOW REAL MUSLIMS AND STOP LIVING IN YOUR PARALLEL REALITY
AND *NO* THAT DOES NOT MEAN I WANT TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSIONS ANY FURTHER
YOU HAVE THE EXACT SAME PSYCHIATRIC DISORDER MY FRIENDS HUSBAND HAD, YOU CAN NOT SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING, AND ARE JUST FIXATED ON YOUR DECLARATION POINTS. I HAVE NO TIME FOR EITHER OF YOU
YOU WILL NEVER FIND THE ANSWERS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR BY THESE TACTICS AND BEHAVIOUR, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE ANSWERS DID NOT EXIST
GOODBYE
GO AWAY
LEAVE ME ALONE
This has nothing to do with religions or your four questions
You have a psychiatric disorder which you are channelling into religous debate and fixation on your four questions. You can not see the error lies in how you ask the questions, not whether the answer ever existed. I have dealt with this behaviour pattern before
You came trawling into the South Korea group posting about Ayaan Hirsi looking for people to engage with you. You started asking me to make public declarations there. We told you to take this discussion to an interfaith dialogue group and I gave you examples of female muslim activists you can talk with. Have you done this to find your answers or did you become fixated on me?
I posted on the Ayaan Hirsi thread on your wall to which you turned the entire subject back on me so I did not respond (see the last post on that thread)
When we chatted privately I gave you numerous examples of reverse violence against muslims in the west, including Sikhs mistaken for muslims
You asked me to post this on your wall (baiting)
After your thuggish 'friends' Stepan and Wooje started their tag team personal attacks without any interest in what the thread was about (and in other threads I responded on), your first reply on the thread was "what I'm more interested in" thereby ignoring any issues I had brought up, and again asked me to make public declarations.
I p/m you not to personalize the thread about me to which you posted on thread "not for me to change the subject or do something like that" (more baiting) and later claimed 'nobody was forcing me to answer'???
You began a critique of my answers and character, expressing dissapointment, sadness, worry, and invited others to join in, specifically naming Wooje. I do not need to subject myself to some public trial so took the thread down, not because it made me "look bad" or "somebody was going to kill me".
I was fed up and outraged that the response of you and your 'friends' when muslims in the west were being killed was "so what, Islam teaches violence" and in that environment you wanted to conduct a character evaluation. It was not from fear of any "death threats from muslims" that I did not explain my answers but more the delight from your 'friends' ready to pelt the first passing muslim that they could get their hands on. So much for the 'season of goodwill'.
That was never the intent of the wall post that you had asked me to start, at least not on my part.
You need to look at the company you keep. I dont see any muslims on either Stepan or Wooje's pages and Stepans is full of strippers with giant breasts. One of them even has a wall post about picketing a Church that has friendly relations with muslims Those are great Christian role models to associate yourself with and to whom I have to subject myself to cross examination and judgement.
I dont have any 'extremist' friends like that on my friend list or posting on my wall, nor do I want to know anyone personally or online of any faith that thinks and acts like that. "Love thy neighbour" they would sell their house or buy a gun if a muslim moved next door just look at everything on their walls.
You told me you had no muslim friends growing up in Toronto, the NO.1 most multicultural city in the world, which I find very, very strange indeed and why you still have these questions today. I showed respect for you by not asking this publically nor stating this on your wall. I went thru your friends list and I see maybe two. Now the first muslim you see willing to talk to you, the first thing you do is start waving your four point declaration at them before you even want get to know them.
After I deleted my thread I p/m you basically telling you to 'Go Away'. I told you making inferences about me is judgemental.
You then started a new thread on your wall making inferences about me and again baited me to come back and respond. You state I "dont speak for all muslims" but make all kinds of inferences about western muslims by what I do/dont say.
Again, the problem does not lie in the four questions or whether the answers exist, but in how the question is being asked.
Look at the public apology made by Mark Pedal where he says I have been singled out and you have become blinded in your search for answers to see what you are doing. Look also at the post before from Matthew Lewis where he acknowledges several incidences of baiting on your part (I have included a screen shot)
A very good friend was married to a psychopath like this. He wanted to conduct public cross examinations of her core beliefs and upbringing on public forums and would invite others to join in and criticize, while she was eight months pregnant with his child. This is no different which is why I stopped it right away. Now I know exactly how she felt.
Am I asking you to make public declarations about gay rights, that god created gays, that gays should be allowed to be married in churches, openly gay priests should be allowed, gays should be allowed to adopt, and open you to character assasinations and debate by people on my friends list that you dont know?
As to the **** you want to keep bringing up
- my uncle is married to a german, she is a practicing christian and always goes for christmas/easter mass. She has the bone fragment of some german saint and we would have christmas dinner at her house
- another uncle is married to a yugoslav. she grew up in communist times and will always tell you she is an athiest if anyone asks
- my dads cousin married a sicilian woman whose father was an archbishop. the only way he would give his consent to marriage was if my dads cousin converted and became a practicing catholic
You never wanted to know any of this and only wanted to conduct your public trials
Dont you think these people have friends and are known in the muslim community???
Who is making death threats against them they lead very happy lives???
I could go on with dozens more examples. For every Ayaan Hirsi that you so concern yourself with there are just as many positive stories that the naysayers have no interest in hearing or seeing.
Poor Ayaan Hirsi with her media career, New York Times bestseller, and high paying consultancy job. Lets not talk about the ethnic genocide that took place of muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo only a decade ago. These are not arabs but ethnic europeans. Where were the defenders of freedom and liberty UK, France, Germ, Italy, etc against their own ethnic europeans??? Or is being muslim a disqualification from being european?
This has happened in our lifetime and a real fear muslims in the west have when we see western society did not speak up with the same vigour with which you champion Ayaan Hirsi's cause. All the post 911 church/media hysteria, racial attacks, sentiments of your 'friends' are all linked.
Lets not talk about what it was like to be a muslim in the west after 911 and how people were scared to take the bus, goto work, or buy groceries, and the acts of violence that took place and still do, including against sikhs who have nothing to do with islam, and the media/church hysteria that is behind this.
You want to make inferences about western muslims. I too have made inferences and wonder how many more people are like you and your 'friends' and dont see it as a bad thing if muslims are being killed in the west and rather we go away and dissapear somehow because we are essentially 'bad at the core'. This tells me I am 'tolerated' but not welcome and I wonder how widespread this sentiment is now and who my real friends are. This is why muslims feel safer with their own kind.
I left you on my friends list so you can see "what the muslim is getting up to". I have observed many different church services, as well as sikh, hindu, and buddhist services. I have a Rabbi I grew up with, a korean pastor, and the pastors wife from Dongshin on my friends list, as well as people from every religious and cultural background. Can you say the same?
How many muslim friends do you really have, I have not seen any muslims commenting on your wall posts? Or have your 'friends' made them very unwelcome. How many mosque sermons have you attended? There are mosques in Busan, Gimhae, Ulsan, Daegu, its not that difficult even in korea.
Go and read all my blog posts visiting churches and praising "infidel" temples. How insulting is it that I'm scared of being killed for speaking my mind and someone with two masters degrees and from Toronto can be so stupid and ignorant of other cultures. Yeah we have lots of executions taking place in daegu and toronto, you should come watch sometime.
I tried to develop a friendship with you in good faith as we are both from Toronto, live closeby, and have mutual friends. You have only ever seen me as a "muslim test subject" on which to conduct your research and subject me to public trials, another form of persecution.
TRY GETTING TO KNOW REAL MUSLIMS AND STOP LIVING IN YOUR PARALLEL REALITY
AND *NO* THAT DOES NOT MEAN I WANT TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSIONS ANY FURTHER
YOU HAVE THE EXACT SAME PSYCHIATRIC DISORDER MY FRIENDS HUSBAND HAD, YOU CAN NOT SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING, AND ARE JUST FIXATED ON YOUR DECLARATION POINTS. I HAVE NO TIME FOR EITHER OF YOU
YOU WILL NEVER FIND THE ANSWERS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR BY THESE TACTICS AND BEHAVIOUR, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE ANSWERS DID NOT EXIST
GOODBYE
GO AWAY
LEAVE ME ALONE
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