We went to the Oak at W12. Here, Carol, an artist, is explaining in this shot what art is. Her explanation made sense to us all. Andy is an accountant and sometime musician. We did briefly discuss accountancy; pensions to be exact, but we realised it was a bit of a conversational dead end and went back to music, where we reminisced over our days in the band "Big Announcement" and the track we'd laid down called "Two Cathedrals are Enough for any Bishop". We were a total commercial failure, but we did have some sublime moments.